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The Double-Dip Is On


Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:34 pm

New Doubts Over Housing Data
On Tuesday February 22, 2011, 2:06 pm EST


Most consider President's Day weekend as the official start of the spring housing season.

There is, therefore, no more crucial time than now to have reliable data at our disposal for home sales, prices and inventories.

How else do buyers, sellers and investors know how to proceed? Unfortunately, the housing crash itself has undermined the veracity of those readings.

With the boom and the bust came the attention. Housing brought our economy down, and in doing so, boosted itself to the headlines. As with any big story, a cottage industry sprang up around it. Data providers came out of the woodwork, and as online sale and foreclosure web sites proliferated, so too did their ability to add to that data pool. The result is double edged: On the downside, some data providers are less-than accurate, but on the upside, their sheer numbers provide a system of checks and balances, tempering the most outrageous assertions.



So it seems sort of appropriate that today, as a new controversy swarms around potential errors in home sales figures from the National Association of Realtors, the exalted and much-contested S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index is released.

It reports that home prices are dangerously close to an official double dip. Other data providers have been asserting recently that S&P/Case-Shiller is too bullish (and of course too bearish).

As for the Realtors' data, I find this one more disturbing. While some I have spoken with today call the claim by CoreLogic (a housing data provider) that the Realtors overestimated home sales in 2010 by almost 1.5 million, "overblown," the Realtors themselves admit there is a problem. They are "re-benchmarking" their sales calculation process.

"The last re-benchmarking to the existing-home sales series was based on 2000 Census data, so NAR is undertaking a re-benchmarking using independent sources," says NAR's Walter Molony. "We are consulting with various outside housing economists, government agencies, and some academic experts on the methodology to determine if there is, in fact, any drift in NAR's existing home sales data, and, if so, by how much."



Molony says at this point they believe any drift in the data to be "relatively minor," and he goes on to say CoreLogic's assumptions may be "too high." Bottom line, though, if NAR overstated sales, then inventories are far higher than we think they are (inventory, or months supply, is based on a calculation of properties for sale and the current sales pace). We already have a great deal of uncertainty in the inventory numbers because of the so-called "shadow inventory" of foreclosures and bank owned homes.

Why do all these numbers matter in the real world of Sunday open houses and local market closings? Because sales and inventories drive prices and they drive expectations...the latter, perhaps, more important in the current market where consumer confidence is all but non-existent.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:47 am

Why Housing Is Going Through a Double Dip
On Wednesday March 23, 2011, 11:53 am EDT


The sales pace of newly built homes is now at the lowest on record.

Sales dropped nearly 17 percent in February after a big drop in January. Put that on top of the nearly 10 percent February drop in existing home sales reported earlier this week and the incredibly low level of mortgage purchase applications, and you get a clear case for a double dip in housing.

Remember, this number from the Census is based on contracts signed in February, not closings, like the existing home sales number from the Realtors. That means it is a real indicator of how the Spring market is starting.

"Further, the plunge in new home prices [down 8.9% year over year] does not bode well for existing sales prices in February, which will close in March and April and be reported by NAR in April and May," notes analyst Mark Hanson.

I really don't have to tell you that, since the vast majority of you voting on the blog cast the double-dip vote yourselves. The question now is: How long will it last? As I noted yesterday, more than a hundred economist and housing types surveyed by MacroMarkets said there would not be real recovery in housing until 2013.



I want to talk pros and cons.

The pros are that the job market is slowly recovering. Jobs are key to housing, and while employment isn't going gangbusters, it is at least going in the right direction. Another pro, though not for builders, is that housing starts are still really really low, which will help existing home sales, the bulk of the market.

"It allows the market to further purge itself of the inventory of existing homes as we don't need more new homes right now," notes Miller Tabak's Peter Boockvar.



Another pro: Affordability.

It's better than it's been in a long time, and with supply as high as it is, buyers can negotiate great deals on organic and distressed properties alike.

Low mortgage rates. Yes, it's super hard to qualify, but at least we don't have a rate spike...although that depends entirely on quantitative easing's future and new risk retention rules, so stay tuned on that.

Unfortunately the cons are going to prevail for a while:


1.Supply supply supply. Too much. Can't overstate that.
2.Foreclosures. Banks are pushing properties through the foreclosure process at a really rapid pace now. I'm also hearing they may be ramping up sales ahead of any settlement with nation's attorney's general over the so-called "robo-signing" paperwork scandal. More foreclosures on the market means more supply and more price pressure.
3.Gas prices: See yesterday's blog post. It's real.
4.Mortgage applications. They are way below historical norms. All cash buyers in February rose to a record 33 percent of all buyers of existing homes. Many many Americans simply can't qualify for a mortgage anymore at a reasonable rate.
5.FHA: Next month the cost of an FHA loan goes up yet again. FHA loan volume dropped 26 percent in February month to month.
6.Consumer sentiment: Awful. No confidence in this market. Only the investors are out in droves, looking for and getting bargains. We need them, but we need real buyers as well.

You think I'm a bear? I'm a realist. I've been warning of a double dip for months, as many of you 'disagreed' with me on the blog. At the turn of the year, hearing about some energy in the market and some improving sales numbers at least, not prices, I tried to look at the bright side; perhaps things were improving with more jobs and more buyer traffic? You all didn't seem to like that either. Well I'm calling it like I see it now, and I see a double dip.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:02 am

Home prices falling in most major US citiesHome prices falling in 19 major US cities, with 4 now at lowest level in 11 years


Janna Herron, AP Real Estate Writer, On Tuesday March 29, 2011, 10:34 am EDT
NEW YORK (AP) -- Home prices are falling in most major U.S. cities, and the average prices in four of them are at their lowest point in 11 years. Analysts expect further prices declines in most cities in the coming months.

The Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller 20-city index released Tuesday shows price declines in 19 cities from December to January. Eleven of them are at their lowest level since the housing bust, in 2006 and 2007. The index fell for the sixth straight month.

Home values in Atlanta, Las Vegas, Detroit and Cleveland are now below January 2000 levels.

The only market where prices rose was Washington, where homes prices gained 0.1 percent month over month.

"The housing market recession is not yet over, and none of the statistics are indicating any form of sustained recovery," said David M. Blitzer, chairman of the Index Committee at Standard & Poor's.

The pain is not uniform, however. It is worse in cities where foreclosures and short sales are dominating the market and pushing home prices down. That includes Detroit and Cleveland, which are struggling with weak local economies. Miami, Phoenix, Las Vegas and Atlanta are reeling from overbuilding during the housing boom.

California cities are faring better. San Diego was the only city besides Washington where home prices have risen year over year.

Home prices in the nation's capital are up 3.6 percent year over year and have risen nearly 11 percent since they bottomed out in March 2009. And among the 20 cities, prices there have held up the best since 2000, appreciating almost 84 percent.

The Case-Shiller report measures home price increases and decreases relative to prices in January 2000 and gives an updated three-month average for the metropolitan areas it looks at.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Fri May 06, 2011 11:32 am

So is this a “double-dip,” where prices go back down after starting on their way up earlier?

Nationally, yes. The Case-Shiller index fell from mid-2006 until the 2nd quarter of 2009, when it started a slow increase that persisted most of the rest of that year, only to turn down again in early 2010, bumping up again in mid-2010, only to head downhill ever since. So, yes, on the national front, we’re in a double- or even triple-dip in home prices.

In Oregon, also yes. After hitting top prices in mid-2007, a year later than nationally, our prices also first hit bottom in the first half of 2009, and have largely followed the direction and timing of national price increases and decreases since then, with the recent even sharper price declines recited above. The result is that in Oregon, worse than nationally, we have now gone lower than the short-lived trough we hit in 2009. So by any definition of a “double-dip,” we are unfortunately definitely in one now. The scary result of the recent downturns coming AFTER modest gains is that even when home values do start inching back up next time, there will be no confidence that it HAS turned the corner. This will make turning that corner all the harder.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Mon May 09, 2011 12:00 pm

Zillow Issues Red-Alert on Housing
By: David Urani, Research Analyst

More and more poor housing data continues to pile in, with real estate research firm Zillow reporting that the first quarter of this year was the worst for housing since 2008. Home prices were down 3% from the beginning of the year through March, and year over year, March home values were down 8.2%. If you've been following the housing story for the past few months, this shouldn't come as a surprise, as the shakeout has been painful ever since the federal tax credits ended in the middle of last year.

However, this latest report does illustrate just how extreme the situation is, and it is further evidence that the housing bubble was truly never able to fully deflate to its "natural" levels because of government interference. The geographic trends show that this crisis is not limited to just the most troubled markets, either, as only one city (Honolulu) showed an increase year over year. Predictably bad markets such as Florida and Detroit do continue to lead the charge, however.

Zillow also noted that 37.7% of homes sold during the month resulted in a loss for the seller, while 28.4% of those owning homes were underwater on their mortgages. It also pointed out that foreclosure liquidations progressively increased throughout the quarter as the "robo-signing" delays began to thaw out. And, perhaps the most telling figure for the market with respect to pricing is the fact that 24% of all sales were foreclosure sales; that figure has been steadily increasing since June when it was just 14%. Naturally, the more foreclosure inventory factors into the sales environment, the more the surrounding homes are dragged lower.

These factors provide the basis for the high probability that prices continue to fall through the second quarter. Once the inventory of foreclosed homes begins to trend downward we can look for prices to come up again, but the aforementioned robo-signing delay still needs to unwind. Not to mention, the underlying amount of foreclosures cycling through the pipeline continues to grow as the process has been so slow (due to paperwork issues and various prevention programs) that on average, homes currently going through foreclosure originally went delinquent all the way back in 2009 when the economy was well in the doldrums.

That means the foreclosure market is still tapping a very large pool; consequentially, foreclosures are widely projected to increase this year over last year.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Thu May 26, 2011 9:51 am

Foreclosures for sale: Big supply, low prices

Les Christie, On Thursday May 26, 2011, 5:16 am EDT

There's a three-year inventory of homes in foreclosure for sale, and that's devastating home prices.

Las Vegas has so many foreclosures that 53% of all the homes sold in Nevada are in some stage of foreclosure, according to a report from RealtyTrac, the online marketer of foreclosed properties.

Foreclosures represent 45% of sales in California and Arizona, and 28% of all existing home sales during the first three months of 2011.

"This is very bad for the economy," said Rick Sharga, a spokesman for RealtyTrac.

What's more, the homes are selling at steep discounts, especially so-called REOs, bank-owned homes that have been taken in foreclosure procedures.

The average REO cost on average about 35% less than comparable properties, according to RealtyTrac.

But in some areas, the discounts were ever greater: In New York State, the discount for REOs was 53% during the first quarter. And it was nearly 50% in Illinois, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

Also weighing on market prices are "short sales," homes where the selling price is less than what is owed by the borrowers. These sales sold at an average 9% discount.

Including both REOs and short sales, Ohio had the biggest discount of any state, at 41%.

There were 158,000 deals involving distressed properties nationwide during the first quarter, less than half the nearly 350,000 during the same period two years earlier.

With the slowed sales pace, it will take three years to burn through the inventory of 1.9 million distressed properties, according to Sharga.

"Even if you look at REOs alone, it will take 24 months to clear them and that's without any new foreclosures at all coming into the system," said Sharga.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby JoeFromSFO on Thu May 26, 2011 11:08 am

House prices fall in Bend area
Published: May 26. 2011 4:00AM PST

Bend-area home prices dropped about 4.5 percent in the first three months of the year over the fourth quarter of 2010, according to federal housing data released Wednesday.

Year over year, prices in the Bend Metropolitan Statistical Area, which covers all of Deschutes County, fell 8.4 percent in the first quarter, compared with the first quarter of 2010, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s House Price Index report.

Other metropolitan statistical areas across the nation experienced greater declines in year-over-year home prices, however. For the first time in seven quarters, the Bend area did not make the list of 20 MSAs with the lowest rates of price appreciation. The Bend MSA ranked 288 out of 309, according to the report.

Nationally, the index fell a seasonally adjusted 2.5 percent in the first quarter, the largest quarterly decline since the fourth quarter of 2008.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Sat May 28, 2011 11:45 pm

and that price drop is with a foreclosure moratorium in place that restricted supply.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby bendbb on Sun May 29, 2011 8:36 am

True, but there's also a school of thought that the Federal Housing Finance Agency numbers are overstating the price decline ...

Studying Housing Through Distorted Indexes

THE American housing market seems to be getting worse as time passes.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency reported this week that its national index of home prices fell 2.5 percent in the first quarter, or 9.6 percent at an annual rate.

That was the sharpest decline for any quarter since 2008, at the worst of the credit crisis.

“In the last two or three quarters, we have seen a deterioration,” said Andrew Leventis, a senior economist at the agency. “This is probably due to the homebuyer tax credit going away.” That credit, worth up to $7,500 for first-time homebuyers, ended Sept. 30.

The agency’s index of home purchase prices peaked in the first quarter of 2007, later than some other home price indexes. Since then, the national index has fallen in every quarter.

The index is based on sales whose mortgages are guaranteed by either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, the two government-sponsored enterprises that are regulated by the housing finance agency.

The top chart in the accompanying graphic shows the quarterly changes in the national index from 2000 through the first quarter of 2011. It shows a strong market early in the decade that went into overdrive in 2004 and 2005, only to plunge thereafter.

Over the four years since the peak, the national index has fallen 19.3 percent, including a 5.5 percent fall over the most recent four quarters. Such a fall would mean that an average home purchased in the first quarter of 2007, with a 20 percent down payment, would now be worth little more than the amount borrowed. Many homes, of course, have fallen much more than the average.

The charts also show state indexes, with the worst performance since the peak in Nevada, where prices are down by more than half. Houses in Arizona, California and Florida have lost more than 40 percent of their value.

There is some reason, however, to think that the recent price declines may be overstated by the index. The figures are based on sales of the same home over time, but there is no way to measure changes in the quality of a home.

With many homes now being sold in distress, either because of foreclosure or as “short sales” in which the sales price is below the amount owed and all the proceeds go to the lender, it is likely that some of the homes were in poor condition. In addition, such sales are often made for lower prices than comparable homes could obtain if sold without time pressures. If and when nondistress sales become a larger part of the market, that could cause the index to rise even if the overall market is not getting stronger.

For smaller states, the accuracy of the figures may suffer from having a relatively small number of transactions on which to base the index. The states with the fewest sales are noted in the chart.

The housing finance agency also maintains indexes that are based on both sales and appraisals used in refinancings. Those indexes show smaller declines over the last year in some states, with prices in Idaho, for example, off just 9.1 percent rather than the 15.7 percent fall recorded in the purchase-only index, and Hawaii’s decline at 1.4 percent, far less than the 8.7 percent decline shown.

But while using refinancings provides more data, it may also provide its own distortion. The only homes that can be refinanced now are those that are worth more than the amount owed on the existing mortgage, and thus are likely to have held their value better than many others.
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby Builder_Dude on Sun May 29, 2011 10:58 am

Now, now, Bendbb. You're going to disappoint jlemay that something not completely negative was posted on his little thread here. He's gone to a lot of trouble to cherry pick what he's posted here, and then you post something that says it might not be as bad as he hopes. He's * Not * gonna * like * that! There's a tidal wave coming remember ................
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby bendbb on Mon May 30, 2011 9:38 am

I've been hearing predictions about the REO tidal wave for years and haven't seen it yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't coming. So far the near-interest-free loans from the Federal Reserve have given banks the resources to manage their foreclosed inventory to their advantage, doling out some of their foreclosures to the MLS and selling others outside the MLS framework where they aren't counted in statistics.

Now if the Federal Reserve would just open the discount window to the rest of us we could each borrow a million dollars interest-free and invest it in treasury bonds and make money like the banks.

http://www.frbdiscountwindow.org/discountwindowbook.cfm?hdrID=14&dtlID=43
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Re: The Double-Dip Is On

Postby jlemay on Tue May 31, 2011 4:49 pm

Builder dude -

I can certainly understand why you would be emotional about this as you are in the building business. That there is an unusually large number of foreclosures coming to market in Bend in the next 8-10 months is no secret. I am just stating what is there for everybody to see. Those numbers are fact, not opinion. If you would like, I can point you to the right sources so you can see them for yourself. On a positive note, once this last wave is cleared we can begin a sustained recovery, probably some time in 2013. I hope it turns sooner. Best of luck.
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