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Spot check

Postby rtpage on Fri May 21, 2010 1:32 pm

5 to 20 times a week I evaluate a property somewhere in Central Oregon. Thought posting my estimate of market depreciation/appreciation for that specific area might be interesting to you. I'll give the street name, approx. age and compass location only to keep the subject anonymous.


Woodridge Lane NE Bend 30+ years old
In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 11/21/09 ($88.06/sq ft) vs. 6 months ending 05/21/10 ($80.25/ sq ft), within a 1 mile radius. Comp property values decreased 9.7 % with 10 sales occurring 6 months ending 11/15/09 and 4 sales occurring 6 months ending 05/21/10.
Last edited by rtpage on Fri May 21, 2010 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Spot check

Postby Automann on Sat May 22, 2010 7:01 am

Robert, you seem like a nice guy, but you’ve bought into a very dumb concept i.e. that a real estate sales can be boiled down the price per square foot of “heated living area” and that this is a meaningful way to evaluate properties.

Don Morissette has made millions exploiting this “price per foot” mindset—he recognized that the MLS computers automatically calculate price per foot and designed his product solely to achieve the lowest possible number. This was invariably a 2 story box crammed onto a 4000’ lot and in the boom these monstrosities sold pretty well.

The latest Robert Page market report actually has meaningful information if you look for it. 21 of the 29 reported sales were of single story homes which are necessarily on larger lots. When you consider that over 60% of the homes in Bend are the 2 story boxes on small lots, this tells a lot about the market.

I would suggest that if you are going to advise clients on what is happening to the value of their home that you look at sales of comparable properties rather than applying a magic price per foot.
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Sun May 23, 2010 9:45 am

Robert, you seem like a nice guy, but you’ve bought into a very dumb concept i.e. that a real estate sales can be boiled down the price per square foot


Thanks for the compliment! Interesting interpretation of my little report. Please be advised I have bought into absolutely nothing but my own evaluations which span much more than just one single metric and I advise anyone planning to buy, sell or just kabitzing to do the same. I can't keep track of the many ways people develop to obtain value. The common denominator in just about every case is the method used serves their own agenda whether it be a buyer, seller or Real Estate agent etc. etc.

You are right about price per square foot, it is not the absolute best way to determine value but within the correct context it is one of the paths to arrive at the destination. If you took 3 paths and all 3 brought you to the same destination you could feel pretty confident you landed in the right place. If all 3 brought you to a different destination then further head scratching and pencil sharpening would be in order. Yes you are absolutely right, apples should be compared to apples.

To be clear, the only intent of this post is to give a quck glimpse into what I see going on in a particular neighborhood at a given point in time. I am finding pockets of improvement from time to time and thought sharing my findings here might be helpful.

I would suggest that if you are going to advise clients on what is happening to the value of their home that you look at sales of comparable properties rather than applying a magic price per foot

Thanks for bringing this up as I meant to be more specific with my explanation of how this is done
Per establised guidelines of certain clients:
GLA +/- 20%
Lot size +/- 50%
Age +/- 20years
All comps within same neighborhood or 1 mile
Architectural desing same or similar
All sales within 1 day to 6 months
We of course strive to keep all comps as close as possible to the subject in every metric and expand outward as needed. If we end up with a mixed bag of fruit becuase of lack of comparables then we make adjustments. Once the above has been accomplished, I compare price per sq ft from one period to another to give a glimps of wehat has happened to value in that neighborhood.

Thanks for pointing out my lack of clarity and I hope the explanations provided give y'all a better insight into how this little report came about.
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Re: Spot check

Postby Builder_Dude on Sun May 23, 2010 11:03 am

What percentage of your comps are distressed sales? Does anyone attempt to distinguish between a distress sale and a traditional sale?
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Sun May 23, 2010 12:26 pm

The number of distressed sales varies as well as the number of distressed listings. Sometimes all comps will be distressed and sometimes none of them are distressed, but are almost always a mixture of distressed and non distressed and varies by neighborhood, time period etc. My primary focus is on comparing properties that are as close as possible in as many physical characteristics as possible. The type of sale tends to naturally follow what is happening in the neighborhood and/or time period.
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Fri May 28, 2010 12:44 am

City View Dr 20+ years old 3500+ sq ft, .66 acre lot

This should be a bank owned listing soon. Should list under $600K????

In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 11/27/09 ($171.64/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 05/27/10 ($152.84/sq ft), within 1 mile. Comp property values decreased 11% with 4 sales occurring 6 months ending 11/27/09 and 5 sales occurring 6 months ending 05/27/10.

Hard to compare apples to apples in this neighborhood so consider this an educated guess.
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Re: Spot check

Postby mrholmes on Fri May 28, 2010 8:21 am

You can find problems using zillow or other online tools for spot checks. I was shopping for a home in Broken Top and found that the online tool had compared spec homes and townhomes per sq foot with custom homes with premium views as being the same. So it showed a much lower price per sq ft for the custom home and a higher value for the townhomes than fact.

I think that Mr. Page is right that every thing has a use- you have to take them all in to determine if you are getting a fair price.
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Sun May 30, 2010 9:03 pm

2825 NE Canyon Park Dr. 34 years old mostly original, 0.18 acre lot

This will be a bank owned listing I should have.

Estimated list price $110,000 to $120,000

In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 11/28/09 ($96.75/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 05/28/10 ($92.12/sq ft), within 1 mile. Comp property values decreased 4.8% with 18 sales occurring 6 months ending 11/28/09 and 19 sales occurring 6 months ending 05/28/10.

Wide swings in age, condition, neighborhood attributes etc. so again not exact comparisons but still gives a good idea of of the market in the area.
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:26 am

A few more spot checks:

NE Oak Pl Redmond 1300+ sq ft. 10 years old. 06/02/09 compared to 06/02/10. 6 month sales average for each date.
In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 06/02/09 ($104.86/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 06/02/10 ($82.28/sq ft), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased 21.5% with 10 sales occurring 6 months ending 06/02/09 and 25 sales occurring 6 months ending 06/02/10.

NW 22nd St Redmond 2200+ sq ft 7 years old. 05/31/09 compared to 05/31/10. 6 months sales average for each date.
In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 05/31/09 ($84.51/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 05/31/10 ($80.05/sq ft), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased 5.3% with 3 sales occurring 11 months ending 05/31/09 and 11 sales occurring 6 months ending 05/31/10.

Mountain Oak Ln Bend 1700+ sq ft 5 years old. 11/30/09 compared to 05/31/10 . 6 months sales average for each date.
In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 11/30/09 ($108.07/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 05/31/10 ($97.61/sq ft), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased 9.7% with 17 sales occurring 6 months ending 11/30/09 and 15 sales occurring 6 months ending 05/30/10.

NW 15th St Redmond 1800+ sq ft 18 yeras old. 01/01/09 compared to 06/01/09. 6 months sales average for each date.
In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 12/01/09 ($91.34/sq ft) vs 6 months ending 06/01/10 ($80.01/sq ft), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased -12.4% with 12 sales occurring 11 months ending 12/01/09 and 13 sales occurring 6 months ending 06/01/10.

NE Brandon Ct Bend 1600+ sq ft 13 years old. 11/28/09 compared to 05/28/10. 6 months sales average for each date.
11/28/09: $102.00/sq ft 13 sales. 05/28/10: $85.3/sq ft 12 sales. Sales average -16.3%
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:45 am

Snow Goose Rd area code: 97707 15 years old 1200+ sq ft, 0.5 acre lot

In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 06/06/09 ($115.71/sq ft from 7 sales) vs 6 months ending 06/06/10 ($92.16/sq ft from 6 sales), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased 20.4% between 06/06/09 and 06/06/10.
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Re: Spot check

Postby rtpage on Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:51 pm

Huckleberry Pl, SW Bend, 4 years old, 2999 sq ft. Should be an REO listing of mine soon. Estimate to hit the market somewhere between $270K and $310K.

In determining market value change, I used 6 months ending 06/06/09 ($116.25/sq ft from 19 sales) vs 6 months ending 06/06/10 ($101.79/sq ft from 15 sales), within the neighborhood. Comp property values decreased 20.4% between 06/06/09 and 06/06/10.
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Re: Spot check

Postby Guest on Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:50 am

Got any comps for Sheavlin Meadows, the Parks and NWX?
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Re: Spot check

Postby Automn on Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:28 pm

Got any comps for Shevlin Meadows, the Parks and NWX?

You're looking at the right area if want to make a fortune--A 1500' house in NWX just sold for 300K so $200 a foot is what you can sell for according to the appraisal method expressed in this thread.

There are some crappy lots within 1/2 mile that can be had for less than 50K, and you can slap up an Adair 3136 w/out garage for just over 100K. You can sell the package for $627,200 (3136 sq.ft. X $200) and will earn quite a handsome profit.

Foolproof isn't it?
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Re: Spot check

Postby guest on Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:43 pm

NWX and Parks are nice areas and really like that location for proximity to mountains, trails, schools, downtown etc
But trying to gather just a bit more change for home in Broken Top instead. Starting to see some good prices and for just a bit more can hope to get a custom home with larger lot and more vegetation. Can find some nicer specs in Fall creek for same as NWX. And for a little more maybe a custom home in the other sections. Hard part is finding one the right size. Don;t want the huge mc mansion just a mini one around 3000 to 3200 square ft
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Re: Spot check

Postby Automann on Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:38 am

Don;t want the huge mc mansion just a mini one around 3000 to 3200 square ft

3200' would be perfect for the inexpensive lots that are available nearby. They are 50' X 80' so a 40' X 40' 2 storey fits perfectly and puts you exactly @ 3200 sq.ft.

You'll have a wonderful house worth $640,000 according to the highly respected price per square foot appraisal method.
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